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The Children, Youth and Family Consortium, University of Minnesota, is proud to present the 2004 Capitol Conversations: A dialogue about research and public policy held in a dynamic forum for faculty and legislators.

February 10, 2004
Supporting Minnesota’s Teachers

University of Minnesota President Robert Bruininks joined this conversation to kick off the 2004 Capitol Conversations and to talk about the University’s commitment to preparing and supporting teachers throughout the state.

Facilitator: Jean King, Education Policy and Administration, U of M
Panelists: Scott McLeod, Education Policy and Administration, U of M
  Karen Seashore, Education Policy and Administration, U of M
  Jennifer York-Barr, Education Policy and Administration, U of M

Highlights from February 10, 2004

  • We need to provide databased research for decision making from the state level to the school district and even classroom levels. This provides support and accountability to teachers by guiding their decision making with relevant information about their current students.
  • Preparing, mentoring and supporting new teachers in the classroom is critically important. This will reduce attrition rates.
  • Being deliberate about school and classroom size reduces problems for students and stress for teachers.

Minutes from February 10, 2004

Joan Sykora, CYFC, convened the session and recognized State Representative Barb Sykora, who had requested the House Education Policy Committee, which she chairs, to meet with this Conversation. Representative Sykora introduced University of Minnesota President Robert Bruininks and he gave opening remarks. President Bruininks spoke about his Presidential Initiative on Children, Youth and Families, of which Capitol Conversations is a key policy aspect. This Initiative is an opportunity to advance knowledge and connect University resources and the community.

Karen Seashore opened her comments by acknowledging that teachers’ working conditions have a strong effect on their teaching quality as well as their satisfaction with the profession. She identified three key research based findings: (1) change affects both teachers and schools, and both need attention, (2) supporting teachers requires changing schools, and (3) effective teacher change is based on two kinds of knowledge, research-based “best practice” and “reflective practice” or “clinical judgment” that comes from applying new ideas in a particular setting. Dr. Seashore also remarked that we should care about schools as teacher learning communities because schools that create better learning environments for teachers have stronger instruction, which translates into higher levels of student achievement.

Dr. Seashore’s final remarks included the characteristics of effective school environments. She noted that these characteristics are evident both within the structure and human resource domains of schools. Structure (time, teacher influence, access to “good data”, and smaller, less complex schools) and human resources (supportive leadership, access to expertise, relevant feedback from peers, and respect and trust) combine to create effective school environments.

Jennifer York-Barr followed Karen’s discussion on conditions that are supportive of teachers by reminding attendees that the primary goal of teaching is student learning and growth. With this goal in mind Dr. York-Barr addressed the issue of the early career teacher. She articulated the need to support teachers early on in their careers through mentoring and induction programs within a supportive culture.

Dr. York Barr also highlighted findings from a study examining what professional development is needed to change teacher instruction. She reported that a focus on academic subject matter, opportunities for hands-on, active learning, initial and ongoing learning with colleagues, and integration within the school context were characteristics of professional development efforts that increased the quality of instruction.

Scott McLeod focused his remarks on the need for greater databased decision-making. He conveyed the need for data to be disaggregated to help guide the decision-making process. This needs to be done at a building and classroom level so that educators can base their decisions on data-based information.

Dr. McLeod also acknowledged that school districts need help with data analysis and management. There is also a need for professional development to allow those within the districts to learn what they do not know about using data.

Open Discussion

Q: I hear about research on the implications of both class size and school size on student performance. What can you tell us about this research?

  • Nationally, findings are robust for small class sizes having a positive impact on the younger grades (K-3). Also at a national level smaller school sizes have a positive impact on success in secondary schools. So while these factors can make a difference, the effects are not equal not across the board.
  • One type of solution some schools are trying is to have “pocket schools” or schools within schools. However, the research on this is not yet definitive but in a few years we will be able to determine if these efforts have a demonstrable impact on student achievement by allowing kids to feel better about their schools and their learning. The assumption is that if it is done well then the outcomes will be good.
  • Another aspect of promoting smaller schools and class sizes is the financial implications this has for the school district’s budget. Much of the school’s budget goes toward facilities and physical set-up, and salaries. This doesn’t leave much room for the extra costs of having more teachers and more classes/classrooms.

Q: We know schools have staff development opportunities, however few, yet we are hearing that teachers need more time and resources to pursue these. Do school districts simply need to focus these opportunities more for improvement? And, where can districts look for more information on how to do this?

  • This can be done in conjunction with statewide work on determining what is strong professional development (setting standards) and widening this knowledge base.
  • More then just the school districts, individual schools need to focus their opportunities, as much of what takes place is on an individual level of preferences rather than by consensus of what a particular school needs to work on as a whole unit.
  • The University has a Continuing Professional Studies program, now in its fourth year, for principals, teachers, staff and curriculum developers, (http://education.umn.edu/CPS/default.html). Also, the Minnesota Staff Development Council, an affiliate of the National Staff Development Council, promotes research-based staff development and collaboration among all educators (http://www.mn-sdc.org).

Q: One of the biggest challenges in education is high attrition rates during the first few years of teaching. What are the national rates during these years and what can Minnesota do about these?

  • The attrition rates for new teachers during the first three years are 20-30%, much higher than other professions. A few of the reasons for such high rates include low starting salaries, although this is not a factor in Minnesota, and the working conditions new teachers face with the enormous demands and lack of time for reflection on their work.
  • Induction programs are shown to be successful in certain areas, Brainerd schools have proven to be a case of this with lower attrition rates. Fostering effective relationships between teachers and their peers within a school provides an avenue for feedback, support and mentoring. Such relationships will also reduce the need for long, after-hours training seminars for teachers. Data-driven schools can also answer questions of what is working regarding teacher and staff issues.
  • School violence is not related to increased attrition rates. Research finds that school violence is on the decline from 15 years ago. The issue at hand is the lack of resources that new teachers need to assess the current culture that children live in.
  • Classroom management and working with special education kids are two areas in which teacher preparation needs to be improved. Having these improved skills would help new teachers feel better about their situation and ability to deal with the challenges in their classrooms.

Q: Currently, the University is the only place to obtain a Ph.D. in educational administration. This makes it difficult for students in greater Minnesota to obtain such degrees. Would it make sense for St. Cloud State University and Mankato State University to offer Ph.D. programs?

  • It is very expensive at the Ph.D. level as well as resource-intensive for universities to offer these programs. Yet, it is part of an ongoing discussion of how to best serve students in greater Minnesota in a face-to-face style, which is the best way to provide quality leadership training.
  • An alternative to spending the money and resources on creating Ph.D. programs at other universities would be to concentrate on building the learning networks across the state. This would increase the capacity of our various centers of learning and be a way to more efficiently share resources.

Q: The element of time is very important and definitely has an impact on learning and teaching. What are the implications of varying school year calendars as on example of this?

  • While there are not many examples of year-round schools in the U.S., we do see the possibility of enormous effects of this type of school year for low-income, disadvantaged kids. During regular school years, these kids experience a huge summer learning loss since they often do not have access to learning opportunities such as language camps or tutoring. These learning gaps are increased each summer break so year-round schools could alleviate this to a certain extent.
  • The year-round schedule also would allow for more frequent breaks for teachers and opportunities to meet and conduct their professional development on a more regular and frequent basis, not just once a semester.
  • Yet, we observe that summer learning opportunities and enhanced staff development support are generally the first pieces cut from overstressed school budgets.

Q: How would a data-driven system operate for our schools?

  • This would be a multi-level, multi-faceted operation. Data would be collected at the state level, district level, school level and even the classroom level. Disaggregating the data is necessary to enable teachers to see trends and set appropriate goals for the current student’s in their individual classrooms, rather than generalizing from data that is out-of-date, on a larger group or different group of students altogether.
  • State level data is good for state policy; district level data is good for district policy; school level/building data is good for school policy, and classroom data is what is good for the individual teachers and students.
  • Schools will need new and better technology systems and training to use the systems. Often larger school districts can afford such upgrades while smaller, and many times rural, school districts cannot.
  • Becoming a data-driven school system is a process that needs everyone on board to ensure an adequate infrastructure of technology, training and understanding.
  • Most teachers estimate three to four weeks lost each school year as time spent figuring out where their students are academically in subject matters because they don’t have this data available to them. Varying levels of ability is a tough situation for a classroom teacher to deal with and is made increasingly so by the ongoing lack of data to alleviate this situation. In addition, the gaps in ability levels are increasing as a result of this lack of preparedness and therefore accuracy in curriculum planning.

Q: Are college students (training to be teachers) being prepared to practice data-driven decision-making?

  • These students do take a statistics course so they know what statistical terms mean and to a certain extent how to interpret them. They are not, however, required to take courses on collecting data. Making changes in the U of M’s curriculum for future teachers is a slow process and difficult to achieve given the number of other requirements seen to be equally as necessary for teacher preparation.
  • The early years of teaching are pivotal for educators, there is a great need for continuity of assessment as new teachers transition from college into professional careers. Such assessment will enable education programs to better tailor resources offered with teacher needs.

Jean King concluded the first session of Capitol Conversations at 9:00am. Please continue to visit the Capitol Conversations web site (www.cyfc.umn.edu/poliyc/capcon) for further information on the series.

 

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